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This is old news, but apparently I missed it. Is it just me, people, or is this, like, the HOTTEST THING YOU'VE EVER READ?

Trent (as paraphrased/ruminated upon* by Chuck Palahniuk), on why he's wasn't quite satisfied with "We're In This Together Now":

"I can't help but wonder if it's just the fact that it does take that leap of faith, that Kierkegaardian step away from standing for nothing, to actually standing for something. It's really easy -- you can spend your life criticizing and tearing down the culture -- but at some point, you've got to pull your guts up and actually create something in the culture, and stand for something."

I have to tell you guys that the thought of Trent reading Kierkegaard, and thinking about pulling his guts up to stand for something is better than any porn.

Forget everything else, THIS is exactly why he aches me so fucking hard, and why I will never stop loving that fucking guy with the white hot passion of 10,000 burning suns.

*Mea Culpa: a reader sent the above quote to me as one of Trent's, and being that I am always happy to assign him any virtue, I did not look up the source before posting it, and rolling around in its glory. As it turns out, this quote is very likely more Chuck Palahniuk's ruminations on what Trent said to him, than it is a direct quote from Trent. Let it never be said that I, Dierdre Keating, am not fully willing to think the best of dear old Trent at all times, but very likely, he was not the one with his nose in the Kierkegaard. Whatevs. I love him the same.

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I'm studying Kirkegaard in philosophy!!!

Ah, too early for a sunday.

Posted by: Nicole | Dec 4, 2005 8:03:33 AM

That's hot, alright.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 4, 2005 8:28:37 AM

Where did he say that and how does that lead to WITTN dissatisfaction?

Posted by: maise | Dec 4, 2005 8:29:38 AM

That is totally hot.

Posted by: Kim | Dec 4, 2005 8:56:02 AM

Apparently, it is part of a conversation he had backstage on the Fragility tour with Chuck Palahniuk, who was disappointed not to have heard WITTN at the show he attended in Seattle, and this was Trent's response -- that he had worked on it more than any other song, and still didn't feel it was right, before launching into this Kierkegaardian revery.

Now, though, it's time for me to share one of my favorite little bits from Kierkegaard, which is from his book Diary of a Seducer, and which, from the first time I read it -- around the time of The Fragile, actually -- made me think of Trent, so much that I scrawled it all out, longhand, in my journal:

I can imagine nothing more agonizing than an intriquing mind which has lost the thread and then turns all its wits upon itself, as conscience awakens and the question is one of extricating oneself from this confusion. It is to no avail that he has many exits from his fox's earth; the moment his anxious soul thinks it sees daylight appearing, it proves to be a new entrance, and like the startled game, pursued by despair, he is thus constantly seeking an exit, and finding an entrance, through which he returns into himself.

Kierkegaard is some good shit, my dear friends. Really, really juicy and delicious. Kierkegaard also wrote the sentence "I must find a truth that is true for me", which is, I think, Trent's artistic vector in a nutshell.

Let me just add this thought, too: this Kierkegaard quote is really interesting, as it tangentally relates to other things dear, dear Trent has been saying lately, in particular, this quote from a recent interview:

Q: I've always seen your music as beyond politics, speaking directly to the root of human behavior. Considering your stance on the Bush administration, have you considered doing something overtly political?
Trent:That's an interesting take on it, because my view has been like, the world is outside and I'd like to get to it, but I'm too busy stuck in my own head because I can't get my own shit together. On With Teeth, for the first time with "The Hand that Feeds," which was to me a political song, or certainly motivated by politics, it felt like what I've learned with my own experience in the last several years is that I need help and I need other people, as much as I thought I didn't. And there is strength in a community of people. I think we're all connected. There's a greater power in unity and feeling a part of things, and the whole "giving is better than receiving" thing finally made sense to me. That always seemed like a stupid fucking saying: "What do you mean, 'Giving is better than receiving?'" But I get that now, and now it feels more important to me to be thinking in terms of the greater good. It's just two different ways to look at it, what you said and what I just said. I always used to think a different way. I'm not saying one way is right or wrong; it's just perspective.

I guess it just utterly cracks me to know that these kinds of thoughts, processes and intentions are swirling around in that pretty little head of his. That's without even addressing the topic of the SHEER GOODNESS of a man to whom this kind of a thing EVEN OCCURS. I don't care what nasty shit Trent has gotten up to, or how demanding and Napoleonic he might be, that shit is just fucking beautiful.

Believe me when I tell you that as hot as he is -- and he is SMOKIN' HOT -- I truly love that man for his mind, and I swear, I will die of it one of these days.

This has been an utterly sincere, totally not kidding around post from Dierdre Keating.

PS. If anyone can find a full account of the conversation this quote comes from, I will love you forever, too.

Posted by: Dierdre | Dec 4, 2005 9:09:12 AM

Thanks for sharing D.

I'm glad Trent's mind is swirling in that direction. I'd be interesed in an interview with him in about 10 years to get his perspective on things. As much as we all are a "work in progress", he's definitely one of the more interesting ones.

Posted by: bex | Dec 4, 2005 9:20:32 AM

I found the source, D.

It's actually Chuck Palahniuk paraphrasing Trent in exactly the situation you describe. Personally, I'm not much of a Palahnuik fan. "Fight Club" was one hell of a movie, but the book was pretty fucking obvious and badly written, in my totally not at all humble opinion.

Still, like I said, it's hot, alright.

Posted by: Jane | Dec 4, 2005 9:42:53 AM

Well... I guess the totally stupid idiot today is me, actually.

Someone sent me that quote as one from Trent, and I swear I almost died of it, but in fact, reading that article, it sounds, actually, as if the part where he's unsatisfied with the song is Trent, and the Kierkegaardian revery is actually Palahnuik's.

Whatevs. I still think Trent is thinking these kinds of thoughts, and even though he may not have been delving into ye olde Kierkegaard, which, let me tell you, I FUCKING LOVE, he's still the kind of man who has these things on his mind, and I still love him for it.

Thanks for the link, Jane. I guess I'll just go dream up more outlandish virtues for Trent now, right after I annotate this post...

Posted by: Dierdre | Dec 4, 2005 10:21:01 AM

Well, YEAH, "We're in This Together" isn't quite right...it's called the present perfect! (just kidding...couldn't resist!)

Posted by: maise | Dec 4, 2005 4:45:45 PM

Sometimes when something seems too good to be true, it's because it is *laughs* Still, the old Reznor machine is probably into all sorts of things that we don't know about, so who can say for sure?

Posted by: LikkleBaer | Dec 4, 2005 5:48:11 PM

Amen, Maise.

Still, I do want to say one more thing. As lame as I truly am for having been so eager to slurp down the picture of Trent reading Kierkegaard -- because, seriously, when I start writing my sexy fanfic, you can bet that Trent will be reading me Kierkegaard aloud, while the sparks of his massive intellect glitter in the deep green of his sharp eyes, and he won't even need to TOUCH me -- I do want to add that the reason why it seemed remotely believable is because there is A LOT in Kierkegaard that does bear on what Trent does, and always has done as an artist. As much as the idea that he might have been actually digesting Kierkegaard thrilled me with its implications about his intentionality, the fact that his work still contains that material in a less conscious way is in no respect a reduction.

Also, he's still totally hot.

Stupid Dierdre out.

Posted by: Dierdre | Dec 5, 2005 12:19:26 AM

While Deirdre may be able to get her rocks off while listening to him recite Kierkegaard, I think he could still do the trick for me even reciting Green Eggs and Ham. It’s in the sound of his voice. In so many of his songs is screaming or at least pushing his vocals cords to the limits…but to hear him talk in his normal voice it just doesn’t seem to match for me. There is such resonance in his voice. Deep soothing tones that take me by surprise. I’ve been listening to as many interviews as I can find lately and it’s just been heaven for my ears.
I also feel where Deirdre is coming from though. Thinking of him being into something that philosophical is so totally HAWT, that there’s more to the man then just that smokin’ body.

Posted by: Iris | Dec 5, 2005 10:03:38 AM

Iris, I feel you. He probably could read the fucking phonebook, and I would want to EAT HIM...

The thing is, *I* read philosophy, and loads of Art Theory for school, and since I think a lot about Trent (said the ultimate mistress of the fine art of understatement) I often see reflections of him and the things about his work that are so inspiring to me, in things that I read.

Kierkegaard has a special place in my heart, though, as the father of Existentialism, and as someone who argued for an ethics based in individual apprehension of and commitment to a truth that is absolute in its subjectivity, yet still focused on something infinte and beyond human comprehension.

I loved reading Kierkegaard for the same reason I love listening to Trent, when he says he wants "something he can never have" and refuses to compromise one single inch of his own sense of truth. The fact that his work is full of these themes without the direct influence of the likes of Kierkegaard is actually, in a way, even more compelling than the thought of his reading it, but I have to admit that the thought of his chatting it up about Kierkegaard after performing fucking "Gave Up" or some shit is just... well, that's hotter than anyone has any business being.

Even Trent, I guess.


Posted by: Dierdre | Dec 5, 2005 10:47:23 AM

Ok, here's another really nice quote, this time lifted from The Spiral... If anyone knows the source of this business, I'd love to be enlightened:

"I'd say that I've recently allowed myself to become more positive. The very dangerous self-destructive side of me I've now learned to keep in check. I've understood what he's about. I think I crippled him in a way because I know him, his strategies, and I see him creep up every once in a while now in ways of sabotage, in ways of the "fuck-it" guy, 'Just fuck it! Treat someone this way or that, just fuck it! 'That guy I've identified with more because he's been around in my life a lot- not to sound like Mr. Split Personality but there's been a element that I let get out of control for a while, and I found out he was on his way to killing me. He was leading me down the sometimes romantic path of self-destruction. I was afraid to work and I didn't have any friends, and it was just- pleurrrgh! A place that you don't want to be. I acknowleged that I just have to be aware and deal with my own pain."

Very nice, Trent...

Posted by: Jane | Dec 6, 2005 3:51:55 AM

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